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| 1<ref>The strongest, maximum level known since the Breaking</ref> || - || [[Lanfear]] || - || - || - || [[Alivia]]<ref>"Alivia is...considerably stronger than Nynaeve"</ref> (maximum)
 
| 1<ref>The strongest, maximum level known since the Breaking</ref> || - || [[Lanfear]] || - || - || - || [[Alivia]]<ref>"Alivia is...considerably stronger than Nynaeve"</ref> (maximum)
 
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| 2<ref>After her reincarnation in Cyndane, Lanfear was a little weaker than before, but still stronger than Graendal</ref> || - || [[Cyndane]]<ref> "The girl was stronger in the One Power than she herself! Even in her own age that had been uncommon among men and very rare indeed among women" Graendal on Cyndane (TPoD Ch. 12)</ref> || - || - || - || [[Alivia]] (min.)
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| 2<ref>After her reincarnation in Cyndane, Lanfear was a little weaker than before, but still stronger than Graendal</ref> || - || [[Cyndane]]<ref>"The girl was stronger in the One Power than she herself! Even in her own age that had been uncommon among men and very rare indeed among women" Graendal on Cyndane (TPoD Ch. 12)</ref> || - || - || - || [[Alivia]] (min.)
 
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| 3<ref>Graendal is second in the One Power only to Lanfear and few were able to match her </ref> || [[Sharina]] || [[Graendal]] || - || - || - || -
 
| 3<ref>Graendal is second in the One Power only to Lanfear and few were able to match her </ref> || [[Sharina]] || [[Graendal]] || - || - || - || -
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| 4<ref>Nynaeve is the strongest Aes Sedai since the founding of the Tower</ref>|| [[Nynaeve]] || [[Semirhage]] || [[Someryn]]<ref>She credits herself with never having met a woman who is stronger. That was, until she met Graendal</ref> || [[Talaan]]<ref>"Talaan matched her as closely as made no difference...the light alone knew what her potential was" - Nynaeve's PoV (WH, Ch. 10)</ref> || - || -
 
| 4<ref>Nynaeve is the strongest Aes Sedai since the founding of the Tower</ref>|| [[Nynaeve]] || [[Semirhage]] || [[Someryn]]<ref>She credits herself with never having met a woman who is stronger. That was, until she met Graendal</ref> || [[Talaan]]<ref>"Talaan matched her as closely as made no difference...the light alone knew what her potential was" - Nynaeve's PoV (WH, Ch. 10)</ref> || - || -
 
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| 5<ref>Minimum level for female Forsaken</ref> || - || [[Mesaana]], [[Moghedien]] || [[Tamela]], [[Viendre]] || - || - || -
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| 5<ref>Minimum level for female Forsaken</ref> || - || [[Mesaana]] (min.), [[Moghedien]] || [[Tamela]], [[Viendre]] || - || - || -
 
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| 6<ref>Strongest Aes Sedai since Cadsuane, just a level below the Forsaken</ref> || [[Egwene]], [[Elayne]] || - || [[Aviendha]] || [[Metarra]] || - || -
 
| 6<ref>Strongest Aes Sedai since Cadsuane, just a level below the Forsaken</ref> || [[Egwene]], [[Elayne]] || - || [[Aviendha]] || [[Metarra]] || - || -
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| 9<ref>Minimum to use the Choedan Kal safely</ref> || [[Elaida]], [[Elle]], [[Jancy Torfinn|Jancy]], [[Lelaine]], [[Moiraine]] (old), [[Romanda]], [[Siuan]] (old) || - || [[Amys]] (max.) || [[Rainyn]]|| [[Zarya Alkaese|Garenia]]/Zarya || -
 
| 9<ref>Minimum to use the Choedan Kal safely</ref> || [[Elaida]], [[Elle]], [[Jancy Torfinn|Jancy]], [[Lelaine]], [[Moiraine]] (old), [[Romanda]], [[Siuan]] (old) || - || [[Amys]] (max.) || [[Rainyn]]|| [[Zarya Alkaese|Garenia]]/Zarya || -
 
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| 10<ref>The sisters on this level are considered very influential Aes Sedai</ref> || [[Aisha Raveneos|Aisha]], [[Cetalia]], [[Larelle]], [[Leane]] (old), [[Ludice Daneen|Ludice]], [[Merean]], [[Merise]], [[Myrelle]], [[Pevara]], [[Saerin]], [[Sheriam]], [[Theodrin]], [[Valera Gorovni|Valera]], [[Yukiri]] || - || [[Amys]] (min.), [[Edarra]] || - ||[[Kirstian]], [[Reanne]] || -
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| 10<ref>The sisters on this level are considered very influential Aes Sedai</ref> || [[Aisha Raveneos|Aisha]], [[Cetalia]], [[Larelle]], [[Leane]] (old), [[Ludice Daneen|Ludice]], [[Merean]], [[Merise]], [[Pevara]], [[Saerin]], [[Sheriam]], [[Theodrin]], [[Valera Gorovni|Valera]], [[Yukiri]] || - || [[Amys]] (min.), [[Edarra]] || - ||[[Kirstian]], [[Reanne]] || -
 
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| 11<ref>Aes Sedai on this level (or more) are defined strong</ref> || [[Anaiya]], [[Beonin]], [[Bera]], [[Carlinya]], [[Coiren]], [[Desandre]], [[Faolain]], [[Felaana Bevaine|Felaana]], [[Galina]], [[Joline]], [[Katerine]], [[Kiruna]], [[Kwamesa]], [[Lemai]], [[Maigan]], [[Morvrin]], [[Nesune]], [[Nisao Dachen|Nisao]], [[Silviana]], [[Talene]], [[Teslyn]] || - ||[[Leyn]], [[Melaine]], [[Surandha]] || [[Caire din Gelyn Running Wave|Caire]], [[Tebreille din Gelyn South Wind|Tebreille]] || - || -
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| 11<ref>Aes Sedai on this level (or more) are defined strong; minimum to become Amyrlin Seat, that usually are chosen among the strongest Aes Sedai</ref> || [[Bera]], [[Coiren]], [[Desandre]], [[Faolain]], [[Felaana Bevaine|Felaana]], [[Galina]], [[Joline]], [[Katerine]], [[Kiruna]], [[Kwamesa]], [[Lemai]], [[Maigan]], [[Marith]], [[Myrelle]], [[Nesune]], [[Nisao Dachen|Nisao]], [[Sierin Vayu|Sierin]], [[Silviana]], [[Talene]], [[Tamra]], [[Teslyn]] || - ||[[Leyn]], [[Melaine]], [[Surandha]] || [[Caire din Gelyn Running Wave|Caire]], [[Tebreille din Gelyn South Wind|Tebreille]] || - || -
 
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| 12<ref>Minimum to become [[Sitter]], [[Ajah Head]], [[Keeper of the Chronicles]], [[Mistress of Novices]]</ref> || [[Adelorna]], [[Aledrin]], [[Alviarin]], [[Amira Moselle|Amira]], [[Andaya]], [[Anlee]], [[Barasine]], [[Berana]], [[Danelle]], [[Delana]], [[Doesine]], [[Duhara]], [[Eadyth]], [[Erian]], [[Escaralde]], [[Evanellein]], [[Faiselle]], [[Farnah]], [[Faeldrin Harella|Faeldrin]], [[Ferane]], [[Gabrelle]], [[Gitara]], [[Juilaine Madome|Juilaine]], [[Javindhra]], [[Janya]], [[Jesse Bilal|Jesse]], [[Liandrin]], [[Lirene Doirellin|Lirene]], [[Lyrelle]], [[Magla]], [[Malind]], [[Masuri]], [[Moria]], [[Naorisa Cambral|Naorisa]], [[Raechin Connoral|Raechin]], [[Rafela]], [[Renaile]], [[Rina]], [[Rosil]], [[Rubinde]], [[Salita]], [[Samalin]], [[Sarene]], [[Saroiya]], [[Sashalle]], [[Seaine]], [[Sedore]], [[Serancha Colvine|Serancha]], [[Shemerin]], [[Shevan]], [[Sierin Vayu|Sierin]], [[Suana Dragand|Suana]], [[Takima]], [[Tamra]], [[Tarna]], [[Tiana]], [[Toveine]], [[Tsutama Rath|Tsutama]], [[Varilin]], [[Velina]], [[Viria Connoral|Viria]] || - || [[Alarys]], [[Belinde]], [[Dorailla]], [[Meira]], [[Modarra]], [[Rhiale]], [[Tion]] (minimum for all of them<ref> they were "Chosen from the strongest of the Shaido Wise Ones who could wield the One Power" along Therava e Someryn</ref>) || [[Shalon]] || [[Sumeko]] || -
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| 12<ref>Minimum to become [[Sitter]], [[Ajah Head]], [[Keeper of the Chronicles]], [[Mistress of Novices]]</ref> || [[Adelorna]], [[Aledrin]], [[Alviarin]], [[Amira Moselle|Amira]], [[Anaiya]], [[Andaya]], [[Anlee]], [[Barasine]], [[Beonin]], [[Berana]], [[Carlinya]], [[Danelle]], [[Delana]], [[Doesine]], [[Duhara]], [[Eadyth]], [[Erian]], [[Escaralde]], [[Evanellein]], [[Faiselle]], [[Farnah]], [[Faeldrin Harella|Faeldrin]], [[Ferane]], [[Gabrelle]], [[Gitara]], [[Juilaine Madome|Juilaine]], [[Javindhra]], [[Janya]], [[Jesse Bilal|Jesse]], [[Liandrin]], [[Lirene Doirellin|Lirene]], [[Lyrelle]], [[Magla]], [[Malind]], [[Masuri]], [[Moria]], [[Morvrin]], [[Naorisa Cambral|Naorisa]], [[Raechin Connoral|Raechin]], [[Rafela]], [[Rina]], [[Rosil]], [[Rubinde]], [[Salita]], [[Samalin]], [[Sarene]], [[Saroiya]], [[Sashalle]], [[Seaine]], [[Sedore]], [[Serancha Colvine|Serancha]], [[Shemerin]], [[Shevan]], [[Suana Dragand|Suana]], [[Takima]], [[Tarna]], [[Tiana]], [[Toveine]], [[Tsutama Rath|Tsutama]], [[Varilin]], [[Velina]], [[Viria Connoral|Viria]] || - || [[Alarys]], [[Belinde]], [[Dorailla]], [[Meira]], [[Modarra]], [[Rhiale]], [[Tion]] (minimum for all of them<ref>they were "Chosen from the strongest of the Shaido Wise Ones who could wield the One Power" along Therava e Someryn</ref>) || [[Shalon]] || [[Sumeko]] || -
 
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| 13<ref>Minimum for opening alone a suitable gateway to travel</ref> || [[Alanna]], [[Annoura]] (min.), [[Berisha]] (min.), [[Covarla]], [[Eldrith]], [[Falion]], [[Ispan]], [[Meidani]] (min.), [[Merana]], [[Narenwin Barda|Narenwin]], [[Nesita]] (min.), [[Nimri]] (min.), [[Seonid]], [[Serinia]], [[Verin]] || - || - || [[Chanelle]], [[Dorile din Eiran Long Feather|Dorile]], [[Kurin]], [[Renaile din Calon Blue Star|Renaile]], [[Senine]], [[Shielyn din Sabura Night Waters|Shielyn]] (min. to all of them) || [[Julanya Fote|Julanya]], [[Keraille Surtovni|Keraille]], [[Sabeine Ocalin|Sabeine]], two between [[Kema]], [[Nashia]] and [[Sarasia]] (minimum)<ref>[[Crossroads of Twilight]] Chapter 12</ref> || [[Mika]] (minimum)
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| 13<ref>Minimum for opening alone a suitable gateway to travel</ref> || [[Alanna]], [[Annoura]] (min.), [[Berisha]] (min.), [[Covarla]], [[Eldrith]], [[Falion]], [[Ispan]], [[Meidani]] (min.), [[Merana]], [[Narenwin Barda|Narenwin]], [[Nesita]] (min.), [[Nimri]] (min.), [[Seonid]], [[Serinia]], [[Verin]] || - || - || [[Chanelle]], [[Dorile din Eiran Long Feather|Dorile]], [[Kurin]], [[Renaile din Calon Blue Star|Renaile]], [[Senine]], [[Shielyn din Sabura Night Waters|Shielyn]] (min. for all of them) || [[Julanya Fote|Julanya]], [[Keraille Surtovni|Keraille]], [[Sabeine Ocalin|Sabeine]], two between [[Kema]], [[Nashia]] and [[Sarasia]] (minimum)<ref>[[Crossroads of Twilight]] Chapter 12</ref> || [[Mika]] (minimum)
 
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| 14 || [[Aeldene]], [[Asne]], [[Chesmal]], [[Demira Eriff|Demira]], [[Elza]], [[Lusonia Cole|Lusonia]], [[Marillin]], [[Merilille]] || - || [[Tialin]] || - || - || -
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| 14<ref>Just a level above average Aes Sedai</ref> || [[Aeldene]], [[Asne]], [[Chesmal]], [[Demira Eriff|Demira]], [[Elza]], [[Lusonia Cole|Lusonia]], [[Marillin]], [[Merilille]] || - || [[Tialin]] || - || - || -
 
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| 15<ref>Medium level of strength, average Aes Sedai</ref> || [[Adeleas]], [[Akarrin]], [[Kairen]], [[Sareitha]], [[Temaile]], [[Therva Maresis|Therva]], [[Turanna]], [[Valinde Nathenos|Valinde]], [[Vandene]], [[Vasha]] (minimum), [[Zerah Dacan|Zerah]] || - || [[Micara]] || - || - || -
 
| 15<ref>Medium level of strength, average Aes Sedai</ref> || [[Adeleas]], [[Akarrin]], [[Kairen]], [[Sareitha]], [[Temaile]], [[Therva Maresis|Therva]], [[Turanna]], [[Valinde Nathenos|Valinde]], [[Vandene]], [[Vasha]] (minimum), [[Zerah Dacan|Zerah]] || - || [[Micara]] || - || - || -
 
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| 16<ref>Not very strong, but linked in a circle of two elements they are able to open a small gateway,but merely large enough to go trough</ref> || [[Aiden]], [[Berenicia Morsad|Berenicia]], [[Cabriana]], [[Careane]], [[Kumira]], [[Leane]] (new), [[Hattori]] (maximum), [[Jamilila Norsish|Jamilila]], [[Nalasia Merhan|Nalasia]], [[Phaedrine]], [[Shemari]], [[Siuan]] (new), [[Teramina]], [[Zemaille]] || - || - || - || [[Berowin]] || -
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| 16<ref>Not very strong, but linked in a circle of two elements they are able to open a small gateway, merely large enough to go trough</ref> || [[Aiden]], [[Berenicia Morsad|Berenicia]], [[Cabriana]], [[Careane]], [[Kumira]], [[Leane]] (new), [[Hattori]] (maximum), [[Jamilila Norsish|Jamilila]], [[Nalasia Merhan|Nalasia]], [[Phaedrine]], [[Shemari]], [[Siuan]] (new), [[Teramina]], [[Zemaille]] || - || - || - || [[Berowin]] || -
 
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| 17<ref>Barely strong enough to gain the shawl</ref> || [[Daigian]], [[Elin]], [[Nisain]], [[Reiko]], [[Shana]] || - || [[Monaelle]] || - || - || -
 
| 17<ref>Barely strong enough to gain the shawl</ref> || [[Daigian]], [[Elin]], [[Nisain]], [[Reiko]], [[Shana]] || - || [[Monaelle]] || - || - || -
 
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| 18<ref>Barely strong enough to become an accepted</ref> || - || - || [[Daviena]], [[Losaine]] || - || [[Sarainya Vostovan|Sarainya]] || -
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| 18<ref>Barely strong enough to become an [[Accepted]]</ref> || - || - || [[Daviena]], [[Losaine]] || - || [[Sarainya Vostovan|Sarainya]] || -
 
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| 19<ref>Weak, even not enough to become Accepted; but some of them have a strong talent in Healing or in other weaves; Sorilea has the talent to learn a weave after seeing it only one time, like strongest channellers as Alivia</ref> || [[Moiraine]] (new) || - || [[Sorilea]] || - || [[Asra]], [[Jesamyn]] || -
 
| 19<ref>Weak, even not enough to become Accepted; but some of them have a strong talent in Healing or in other weaves; Sorilea has the talent to learn a weave after seeing it only one time, like strongest channellers as Alivia</ref> || [[Moiraine]] (new) || - || [[Sorilea]] || - || [[Asra]], [[Jesamyn]] || -

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Saidar (pronounced: sah-ih-DAHR) is the female half of the One Power. Unlike the more violent saidin, saidar is said to be a "river of Power" which must be surrendered to or "embraced" in order to gain control.

Characteristics

File:Embracing Saidar.jpg

An Aes Sedai embracing saidar

Female channelers can tell when other women are touching the Source; a white glowing aura appears around their body, only visible to those trained to touch saidar. The ability can also be sensed in any woman capable of channeling, be they wilders or Aes Sedai. In the testing to see if you can channel, a woman channels a simple weave and waits. Within five minutes if a woman has the spark, the woman tries to channel the flow, and the test is confirmed. It takes longer for those who only can learn. However, a woman who has the spark can be detected by another female channeler without being tested.[1]

Saidar is described as gentle, but infinitely powerful; a force which will do what you wish it to, but requires patience and submission to properly channel it. Surrender is necessary to gain it, and women universally speak of it as "embracing" the Power. Weaving for a female channeller is described as "guiding" the Power to perform the desired task. By contrast saidin is often described as a "raging torrent" that must be "seized" and controlled in order to force it to submit. Because of this fundamental difference in channeling the Power, a man can never teach a woman to channel, and vice versa.

There is almost no way for a woman to tell when a man is channeling, though the residues of his channeling can be detected using an appropriate weave. Lanfear shows the ability to sense male channeling up to the extent of knowing where the weaves go when fighting with Rand al'Thor by means remaining unknown. Recently an active method was discovered to discern whether or not a man was channeling or holding saidin, but this is not widely known.[2]

A woman repeatedly channeling saidar over a longer time starts to "slow," meaning that she does not age in the same way as a woman without the ability. This also gives the woman a longer life and some have been known to live over four hundred years.

An exception from slowing are the Aes Sedai, who bind themselves using the Oath Rod, which gives them an ageless face instead of slowing the aging. The Oath Rod is also suspected to shorten an Aes Sedai's life by hundreds of years, though after being stilled, the former Aes Sedai returns to the same young appearance as she would have if she never had taken the oaths.

Another blessing received by channeling saidar is that a pregnant woman will not be sick due to her pregnancy. However, her ability to channel will be harder to control over time and the woman will feel as if her weavings are slippery and oily – fading away as she tries to make a weave.

Groups that channel saidar

Saidar Strength Ranking

Saidar Strenght Ranking Table[3]

Rank Aes Sedai, Accepted, Novices Forsaken Wise Ones Windfinders Kinswomen Damane
1[4] - Lanfear - - - Alivia[5] (maximum)
2[6] - Cyndane[7] - - - Alivia (min.)
3[8] Sharina Graendal - - - -
4[9] Nynaeve Semirhage Someryn[10] Talaan[11] - -
5[12] - Mesaana (min.), Moghedien Tamela, Viendre - - -
6[13] Egwene, Elayne - Aviendha Metarra - -
7[14] Cadsuane, Bode, Nicola - Therava - - -
8[15] Kerene, Meilyn, Nissa - - - - -
9[16] Elaida, Elle, Jancy, Lelaine, Moiraine (old), Romanda, Siuan (old) - Amys (max.) Rainyn Garenia/Zarya -
10[17] Aisha, Cetalia, Larelle, Leane (old), Ludice, Merean, Merise, Pevara, Saerin, Sheriam, Theodrin, Valera, Yukiri - Amys (min.), Edarra - Kirstian, Reanne -
11[18] Bera, Coiren, Desandre, Faolain, Felaana, Galina, Joline, Katerine, Kiruna, Kwamesa, Lemai, Maigan, Marith, Myrelle, Nesune, Nisao, Sierin, Silviana, Talene, Tamra, Teslyn - Leyn, Melaine, Surandha Caire, Tebreille - -
12[19] Adelorna, Aledrin, Alviarin, Amira, Anaiya, Andaya, Anlee, Barasine, Beonin, Berana, Carlinya, Danelle, Delana, Doesine, Duhara, Eadyth, Erian, Escaralde, Evanellein, Faiselle, Farnah, Faeldrin, Ferane, Gabrelle, Gitara, Juilaine, Javindhra, Janya, Jesse, Liandrin, Lirene, Lyrelle, Magla, Malind, Masuri, Moria, Morvrin, Naorisa, Raechin, Rafela, Rina, Rosil, Rubinde, Salita, Samalin, Sarene, Saroiya, Sashalle, Seaine, Sedore, Serancha, Shemerin, Shevan, Suana, Takima, Tarna, Tiana, Toveine, Tsutama, Varilin, Velina, Viria - Alarys, Belinde, Dorailla, Meira, Modarra, Rhiale, Tion (minimum for all of them[20]) Shalon Sumeko -
13[21] Alanna, Annoura (min.), Berisha (min.), Covarla, Eldrith, Falion, Ispan, Meidani (min.), Merana, Narenwin, Nesita (min.), Nimri (min.), Seonid, Serinia, Verin - - Chanelle, Dorile, Kurin, Renaile, Senine, Shielyn (min. for all of them) Julanya, Keraille, Sabeine, two between Kema, Nashia and Sarasia (minimum)[22] Mika (minimum)
14[23] Aeldene, Asne, Chesmal, Demira, Elza, Lusonia, Marillin, Merilille - Tialin - - -
15[24] Adeleas, Akarrin, Kairen, Sareitha, Temaile, Therva, Turanna, Valinde, Vandene, Vasha (minimum), Zerah - Micara - - -
16[25] Aiden, Berenicia, Cabriana, Careane, Kumira, Leane (new), Hattori (maximum), Jamilila, Nalasia, Phaedrine, Shemari, Siuan (new), Teramina, Zemaille - - - Berowin -
17[26] Daigian, Elin, Nisain, Reiko, Shana - Monaelle - - -
18[27] - - Daviena, Losaine - Sarainya -
19[28] Moiraine (new) - Sorilea - Asra, Jesamyn -
20[29] - - - - Alise, Caiden, Kumiko -
21[30] Morgase - - - - -


See Also

Notes

  1. The Eye of the World, Chapter 12
  2. Knife of Dreams, Chapter 23
  3. based mainly to [1]
  4. The strongest, maximum level known since the Breaking
  5. "Alivia is...considerably stronger than Nynaeve"
  6. After her reincarnation in Cyndane, Lanfear was a little weaker than before, but still stronger than Graendal
  7. "The girl was stronger in the One Power than she herself! Even in her own age that had been uncommon among men and very rare indeed among women" Graendal on Cyndane (TPoD Ch. 12)
  8. Graendal is second in the One Power only to Lanfear and few were able to match her
  9. Nynaeve is the strongest Aes Sedai since the founding of the Tower
  10. She credits herself with never having met a woman who is stronger. That was, until she met Graendal
  11. "Talaan matched her as closely as made no difference...the light alone knew what her potential was" - Nynaeve's PoV (WH, Ch. 10)
  12. Minimum level for female Forsaken
  13. Strongest Aes Sedai since Cadsuane, just a level below the Forsaken
  14. Cadsuane was the strongest Aes Sedai in a Millennium
  15. Aes Sedai on this level, or more, are considered very strong
  16. Minimum to use the Choedan Kal safely
  17. The sisters on this level are considered very influential Aes Sedai
  18. Aes Sedai on this level (or more) are defined strong; minimum to become Amyrlin Seat, that usually are chosen among the strongest Aes Sedai
  19. Minimum to become Sitter, Ajah Head, Keeper of the Chronicles, Mistress of Novices
  20. they were "Chosen from the strongest of the Shaido Wise Ones who could wield the One Power" along Therava e Someryn
  21. Minimum for opening alone a suitable gateway to travel
  22. Crossroads of Twilight Chapter 12
  23. Just a level above average Aes Sedai
  24. Medium level of strength, average Aes Sedai
  25. Not very strong, but linked in a circle of two elements they are able to open a small gateway, merely large enough to go trough
  26. Barely strong enough to gain the shawl
  27. Barely strong enough to become an Accepted
  28. Weak, even not enough to become Accepted; but some of them have a strong talent in Healing or in other weaves; Sorilea has the talent to learn a weave after seeing it only one time, like strongest channellers as Alivia
  29. Very weak; but linked in a circle of four they are able to open a suitable gateway
  30. Minimum known, barely able to touch the source and to form a weave