Talk:Manetheren

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[edit] What should we really call the last queen of Manetheren?

I am looking at THE WORLD OF ROBERT JORDAN'S THE WHEEL OF TIME, page 99, where it describes the fall of Manetheren. It says: "The King's battle cry, 'Carai an Ellisande!, for the honor of the Rose of the Sun!', was said to echo over the land until the Rose of the Sun herself, Queen Eldrene..." And a little further down in the same paragraph, the authors refer once again to Queen Eldrene: "Stories report that Queen Eldrene's heart broke the moment Aemon died..."

So I ask you all, in the paragraph labeled "FALL," should we refer to the Queen as Ellisande, or as Eldrene?

Pedantic 18:34, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I would say that Ellisande means either Rose or 'of the sun' or 'rose of the sun', while Eldrene is her name. I seem to recall the battle cry meaning "For the Rose of the Sun" and although it is a reference to Eldrene, it isn't her actual name. But then I could be wrong, check the first time Matt calls that out (should be just before Shadar Logoth) and see what Lan and Moraine have to say on the matter. I would do it, but I am about to go to bed. --Melriken 07:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Bah, I decided to just do it.

"Carai an Caldazar," Moiraine said. They all twisted to stare at her. "Carai an Ellisande. Al Ellisande. For the honor of the Red Eagle. For the honor of the Rose of the Sun. The Rose of the Sun. The ancient warcry of Manetheren, and the warcry of its last king. Eldrene was called the Rose of the Sun." --TEOTW 18

so yeah, her name is Eldrene, her nickname is Ellisande or Rose of the Sun. --Melriken 07:51, 8 April 2008 (UTC)