Talk:Verin Mathwin

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[edit] Verin's lie?

What is Verin's apparent lie, that provokes the Black Ajah speculation?

The only oddity I can spot is in TGH, when Verin catches up with Lord Ingtar and declares (TGH/15) "Moiraine Sedai sent me, Lord Ingtar". Later, at Falme, when Rand challenges her about this, Moiraine declares (TGH/49) "I did not send Verin. She did that on her own.". These statements appear to be contradictory. Of course, they are only lies if the speaker knows or believes them to be untrue: if Moiraine said something that she did not intend to be a sending but which Verin interpreted as a sending, they could both make the statements they did. Alternatively, if Verin received an instruction which she believed to be from Moiraine but which was actually from another, the same would also apply. Is this the case referred to by the article, or is it some other? Mooncow 21:35, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Yep, that's the one that gets everybody's shifts in a bunch. It's fairly clear that Moiraine isn't Black, so that leaves Verin lying, or some skullduggery (Disguise?) that has yet to be revealed... -- nae'blis 22:23, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

It's been a while since I have read TGH, but I am fairly certain that at some point in that book Verin refers to the Dark One as the Great Lord instead which is why I have suspected her ever since.--DoctorNordo

[edit] Characters dieing/updating there character template

I think we should wait a while before putting in the template if the character died or if she become something in the last book.--OPTIMOUS 19:42, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

I absolutely agree. I have edited Verin's icon accordinly. I don't see how anyone could possibly argue against this.--DoctorNordo